New name same Rubbish for "Prosperity of Life"

 

RUBBISH
The company now known as "Prosperity of Life", previously known as "Liberty League", afterwards called "Polaris Media Group" and later "Polaris Global" has changed it's name once again.  

Shane Krider was one of the original founders of Liberty League in the USA. Search "liberty league arizona" for further information.

Krider and others in Liberty League scammed thousands of dollars out of dozens of unsuspecting victims by promising huge commissions for selling their "personal development" products. These products are "Beyond Freedom Evolution" a home study course, which costs thousands of dollars but which is no better than many other courses available online for free (on Youtube etc.) and also their CONferences which cost enormous amounts of money. Much better courses are available at your local community college for a fraction of the cost. They now offer access to their "wisdom" for US$97 per month (about $130 Aus). It is no surprise that Krider didn't even graduate from high school, because he is a terrible speaker. US$97 is a lot of money to listen to junk.


Krider is currently married to Rachel Oliver, an ex Herbalife spruiker from Australia and has concentrated on scamming Aussies since being convicted in the US state of Arizona and moving the scam across the Pacific. After being run out of the USA the Kriders based themselves in Phuket, Thailand (moved to Montenegro and later to Portugal) well away from the reach of authorities in western countries. 

A big red flag when dealing with all MLM companies is recurring name and location changes combined with a claim that "we are not MLM".

The Kriders have a few so called "leaders" operating for them in Australia. Simon Haggard, Alison Wheeler, Kirsty Mailer, Lee Anne Bartlett- (sometimes called Lee Anne Haggard) and Mary Scott a New Zealander, operate out of Queensland. Pauline O'Halloran in Victoria, Karen Murphy (also known as Karen Howlin) in Sydney and Chrissy and Col Greig in Northern NSW are joined by a rotating number of newbies who usually fall by the wayside once they realise that they have been conned.

Newcomers to the scheme were often persuaded to travel to the Krider's house in Phuket, Thailand on the pretence of developing their marketing skills. The "marketing" videos made there are pathetically embarrassing, with the unsuspecting victims talking about their amazing "lifestyles". Essentially the victims pay large sums of money and get third rate "promotional" training in return. All so that they can try to sell the same crap to other victims.


For anyone thinking of joining this scheme, it is vital that you ask for proof that your upline is actually making as much income as they claim to be. In the words of the great Carl Sagan "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" therefore you should at least ask to see last year's audited tax return and profit and loss statement to verify the truth of what you are being told. If these cannot be supplied then you can be sure the claims are fake.

 Give your cash to "Prosperity of Life" and kiss it goodbye.

Google "liberty league arizona" for more information.

I have been contacted by a number of upset and disgruntled former "distributors" of Prosperity of Life, who have been conned out of large sums of money. Unfortunately, because the scam is run from Thailand (recent update, the scam is now run out of Montenegro. Update 2 now from Portugal) the ACCC can do nothing to recover the losses. The best initial course of action is to report the Australian based uplines such a Haggard, Bartlett, Wheeler, O'Halloran and Greig to
scamwatch.gov.au
If enough victims contact scamwatch there is at least a chance that the ACCC may act. Recently two scammers have targeted the UK market. Tania Kodjovi-Stapp and Howard Hughes (based in Dublin) have been active on social media trying to recruit new victims to the scam. Watch out for them.

Also watch out for Michael and Arni Berry in the USA, two serious scammers who have robbed many people over the past few years. Lise Reistma and Kristine Bene are the chief scammers operating in Canada.

As always, the best advice is to not give your hard earned money to anyone until you talk to a lawyer or accountant. The reality is that once it is handed over you will not see it again.

December 2022 update. Several of the long time scammers in Australia, Alison Wheeler, Mary Scott and Pauline O'Halloran appear to have departed as have quite a few of the more recent recruits including Tania Stapp in the U.K. It's hard to know what is going on but speculation is that Kirsty Mailer/ Goldsworthy may have something to do with it. Even the former Mrs.Bartlett (now Haggard) is flogging crap on various sites so the "fabulous incomes" touted by her for so long would appear to be not paying the bills.

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    1. I have to thank you for bringing this information to the attention of other's who will undoubtedly be drawn into the hype.

      Found a grammatical error. Couldn't work out where to edit. The original comment is thus:

      One cannot help but wonder why there have been four name changes to the same "online business opportunity" since Liberty League was brought to its knees in court and closed down. Suss.

      So many people have been conned. So many ... it's sad. I guess, the squeaky door will eventually get the oil and these con artists who claim this is not MLM, nor is it a pyramid scheme, will be brought to their own knees.

      Prosperity of Life. Really?

      Not when you're left holding $30k in debt and you have to sell your home. Not when your upside team leader (the person who recruited you) is stripped of her every access to this scam and left dangling without ever knowing why. WTF? She was left $90K out of pocket with nothing to show for it.

      But how many people have just chalked this sad, greedy expose up to experience and walked away? Thousands.

      Who is still reaping the benefits? Unless you're on the tip of the pyramid, it certainly won't be you.

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    2. They almost sucked me in! Luckily I decided to do my homework. They are currently operating in Australia through online job agencies like adzuna.

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    3. I have just looked at most of the 1st video but ff through. Second video is still on and I have to say I cannot believe that Krider is a "so called" inspirational speaker. He stumbles over words and leaves gaps , he is not smooth, so you would be forgiven for thinking he is a new comer. I decided half way through the 1st video to check what the internet says about him. There it is, it's a scam! I thought it would be pyramid or other scam system. I think the thing to realise here is: if we are so desperate to live a better lifestyle, maybe write a book, write a blog or vlog. Find some ideas that your friends and relatives think are good ones to pass on and just do it. Don't waste any time, because every scam artist in the world wants you to buy into something and use your money. They will give you overpriced items that you probably will not be able to sell, except to people who are desperate like you. So why not check out your own ideas and teach them to people all over the world on video or blog via the internet. You can try knitting, crocheting, basket weaving, cooking, teaching something that you know and can teach, doing hair, make-up, even tidying up your home. Anything that about 5 or 6 people tell you that is good and valuable, blog and vlog. Maybe you will make money or maybe you will make good videos. Do not throw bad money after good. Just do your own thing!

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    4. The videos you mention are truely cringeworthy. They are available at makeyourfirst100konline.com login is take & action. Krider is such a poor presenter that it is almost embarrassing to watch him. He stumbles over his words, repeats "umm" and "you know" constantly and his grammar and overall presentation are extremely poor. He is plainly uneducated and with a limited intellect. Rachel on the other hand can rabbit on without stopping, all the time talking without actually saying anything of substance. We all know people like her and it's no wonder that so many of her former friends and colleagues dislike her so much. She is ruthless and cunning and will do anything to part her victims from their money. Rachel could have done very well for herself except for the fact that she has this deep down nastiness. Years ago she was a pretty young thing rambling around Australia's Gold Coast but now she is turning into the wicked hag we all know from childhood fairy tales. Treat her with extreme caution.

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    5. Where can I find some of the reviews from the unhappy POL people that have been ripped off

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    6. Google is a great place to start. When the Kriders introduced the scam to Australia (under it's original name of Liberty League and later Polaris Global) behindmlm.com ran several pieces about their thieving ways. The whirlpool forum has also heaps of information extending to hundreds of pages on their site. All easily accessible through a Google search.

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  2. Wow, I've just finished ploughing through 5 of their videos....time I can never get back! I'm getting a call at 5pm tomorrow to ask if I've watched the videos and to give me the hard sell I guess??? Something just said to me "go do a quick Google search" .....soooo glad I did! I'll be sending an email to Marilyn (Australia) to say don't bother calling me!

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    1. Just sent that same email myself

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    2. I responded to a person's posting on Facebook - work from home in the USA. She is in South Africa. Did 1st interview which I "passed". In retrospect I believe she did not hear anything I said and is working of a pre-written script. I was sent the email with links to the videos. Once I had the name, I googled... and so glad I did. I did not waste any time watching the videos as I already had made up my mind not to touch this. Had my phone call today when I said thanks, but no thanks. What a snotty reception I got from her after that...

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    3. Hi Ruby. Congratulations..... Unfortunately everybody "passes" their 1st interview and from there they are introduced to the hard sell to try to extract up to $30,000 from them. The Kriders have been at this for years and it only takes a few people each year to fall for it to keep the scam going. Since they cannot advertise on most job sites they have resorted to vague sounding ads on Facebook which are not clear and open.

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    4. Unfortunately their minions are swamping the jobsite Neuvoo at least 4 of them are posting suburb by suburb with different catchlines. I was interested a while back but No way was I going to pass on 2 sales commissions when I needed the cash to progress. This sounded like a scam. Id like to know how the principles in Australia are doing and whether any have pulled out.

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    5. Some of the long time scammers such as Wheeler, Bartlett and Haggard are still in it. Others like Alex Ford and Lynn McFarlane Smith have jumped ship. They are posting on fewer and fewer sites because they are banned from the more reputable ones.

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  3. I came across this on facebook and entered my details. I missed a phone call from a lady but decided to do my due diligence and im glad I did. Total scam!

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  4. These scammers are flat out advertising on several platforms even though the more reputable sites won't let them post an ad.

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  5. You "people" have no idea about POL

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    1. It would be great if you could elaborate on your simple statement. Shane Krider was co founder of Liberty League and also POL. Beyond Freedom is the entry level package of both programmes. Rachel was Liberty League's top earner and has taken over from the previous Mrs. Krider. The CONferences are essentially the same worthless crap except now you have to listen to Shane as the main speaker. Please tell us more.

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    2. Fear of the unknown will keep you stuck. You actually wont know and cant comment unless you have experienced it for yourself. Its like everything in life. Don't believe everything you hear. If a change is what your desire, Go out and know for yourself.

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    3. Hi Dontlisten, there is a big difference between fear of the unknown and actually doing your due diligence. If, after reading this blog or any of the other reviews of Liberty League, Polaris Global, POL ( whatever it's called today) and you decide to part with your money then that is fine. The one thing a prospective investor should not do is DONTLISTEN to the views of anyone other than the scammers themselves. Often family and friends offer good advice so don't go "full boat" without your research.

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    4. Hi all, I just reply from a Facebook adv. Obviously passed the first test. I saw presentation and also "the recruiter" "Do you feel better after getting the course", "could you confirm that those courses will help people and not distroy them more? , I mean ...this should be worth just as an MBA.... and she told me "o Guess you do not fit to this type of business"... Therefore, obviously it destroys people. I am talking about experience and will not wait till I actually get robbed.....full stop.

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    5. I meant that I asked "the recruiter" a few questions, and she replied that "my attitude was not proper" then, I realized that they just look for desperate people that would give anything to change their life's...therefore...this system is kind of opportunistic, taking advantage of sensible emotions... What a shame....

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  6. I don't think it's necessarily a scam as most people think it is, it isn't a pyramid because those are illegal, and if you still think this is one then the corporate structure is actually one as well (your boss has a boss has a boss has a boss has the board of directors has the ceo and if you're entry level you're not going to get a raise to become the CEO any time soon).
    Also, most job sites will not allow ANY business where recruiting is a big part of the job, to post jobs online. Again that's all MLM's, and other hybrid business models, not just this one. A lot of people read reviews and immediately think SCAM and that is beyond uneducated of them.
    The part I don't understand, is the actual product. Where is the value -for customers-in charging (them) 5x the amount of the same quality coaching from elsewhere? That, is the real scam.

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    1. Hi Unknown, pyramid schemes are indeed illegal and POL is definitely one of them. Just because they have "products" doesn't negate this. The "products" are only sold to those participating in the scheme, ie new recruits rather than genuine retail customers. In Australia it is very much a buyer beware marketplace for this type of scam as the various local and federal government agencies often feel they have more important issues to deal with.

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    2. still no idea...

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  7. WOW, I have just been conned by this mob.. Was happy to grow this business slowly. started off paying $2500.00 US to join, thought ok, let's see how this goes, make my money back, make sure it is legitimate and slowly build from there.. I absolutely walked away when my M8 director told me to go and get a loan for $30 0000 so I can sell all their products and make my money back quickly........errrr, but didn't I say to you I was to start slow and see if this thing is real? Money I cannot get back, wasted money but at least I found out sooner rather than later.. I should have listened to my family.

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    1. Shame you gave up. you could have made your money back and then some and have a great accomplishment to show for it. I'm afraid it sounds like its not for you. If all the successful people in the world gave in that easy because of what others think there wouldnt be any successful people in the world. Shame, you could have been great!!! I guess you wont know now.

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    2. All scammers will blame the victim. You could certainly have made your money back, but in the process you would have had to rip off some other unsuspecting person. The real shame belongs to the scammers.

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  8. I’m looking into this at moment and think that it’s up to us or you to put the hard work in (like any business) to reap the rewards. Am I missing something? Sounds like all the people with negative feedback possibly didn’t work hard enough for it?

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    1. Hi Erin, Thanks for dropping by. Unfortunately it is almost impossible to sell the POL products to anybody other than those who believe the promises of executive incomes for selling these very same products. You end up competing against the person who recruited you. Both looking for more recruits without any actual retail sales. No matter how hard you work, very few are actually going to fall for it. I just checked out Rachel Krider's latest video and she is pushing the fact that you just need two hours per day to succeed with POL, which is just plain ridiculous.

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  9. I think you are scamming all these poor innocent people on here that believe YOUR CRAP. Did your mum ever teach you how talking crap about someone will bring you bad Karma? I think I'm afraid that all these people on here have been duped by your negativity and that you haven't been able to succeed in your life so this blog is to make you feel better and do nothing for anyone else who wants to try to change their lives for the better. I know and have met many successful entrepreneurs who have started their business with them from scratch and guess what??? They have succeeded to live the dream that they wanted. Who are you to try to stop someone trying to reach a dream or goal. Not anyone I would take any notes from anyway. Be wary of this person writing this blog. He is obviously a troubled individual throwing his toys out of the cot for what ever reason. It would be lovely for you to try to be more positive in life because more people will probably follow you. Your negativity is infecting people and not in a good way. Shucks. What would the world be like if you infected everyone???? hmmmmmm. thank god, it wont happen. Shane and Rachel have made a lot of people happy and content in their new lifestyles. Tell me, What have you done thats positive in someones life??? I will wander if you will delete this post????

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    1. Hi Dontlisten. Interesting that you think that Shane and Rachel have made a lot of people happy, because the happy people are vastly outnumbered by the unhappy ones. Sure there's a half dozen or so at the top who make a few dollars but even they are living show lives. Just look at Pauline, Simon, Alison, Adam, Lee Ann etc. they really are a miserable bunch, almost as miserable as Rachie herself. Rachel hires a boat in Thailand and you would think she actually owns it the way she carries on. Pathetic really.

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    2. Hi Sillery
      Keep up the excellent work proving information to people smart enough to do their due diligence as I have by reading this and other posts about POL.
      The above particularly nasty and unnecessarily abusive comment, accusing you of negativity because you haven't well in your life speaks volumes to me about the character of a someone who has already been brainwashed. Very sad for them but fortunate for me about to fork out a big wad of money. You saved me!
      THANKYOU!

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    3. Thank you Susan. I remember what interested me first about Liberty League was it's similarity to an organisation I am very familiar with, namely the "Church" of $cientology. It was only later that I discovered that the Kriders are actually members of the so called church. While the Kriders do not openly push the cult down people's throats, it is apparent that many of $cientology's practices are employed by LL, Polaris, POL or whatever it's called. The brainwashing you have correctly identified is subtle but nonetheless an essential part of convincing new recruits to hand over large sums of money in the hope of future reward - namely the "executive" six figure income.

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    4. Dontlisten............How much have you made from this program in the last 6 months?.......... I mean actual taxable income. Could you safely go to a lender and borrow against this "business". (please answer honestly)

      There are millions of people who actually believe in Scientology too. Scams come in many guises.

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    5. Hi there Cadrat. You make a valid point in questioning whether Dontlisten has made much real taxable income from POL. It would appear that even those at the top of the pyramid- the "big earners" in Australia like Pauline O'Halloran, Simon Haggard, Adam Bude, Alison Wheeler etc. actually barely scrape a living from the scam. Even the Kriders just maintain a veneer. The homes and the boat are just leased at the lowest possible price to give an appearance that denies the reality. It's called the "fake it til you make it" mentality, but it's all a sham.

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    6. I see Don't ListenToAngryPeople hasn't replied... ^_^ - I wonder why...?? :)

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  10. All those people that are happy with the company are part of a team specifically created, by the company, to try and mitigate damages created by those who are speaking out against it. My wife almost bought into it. SCAM SCAM SCAM.

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    1. Your wife is very fortunate. The Kriders and their associates are currently targeting women big time. They are pushing the idea that women can make big money while looking after kids and family - all with relatively little effort. Of course you have to part with $30K in order to get "qualified" to make this big money. Sometimes it's the most desperate who fall for the pitch, which is often a financial disaster for the victim and her family.

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  11. these thinly disguised mlm scams should be banned from advertising, i reported a few when still advertising on seek, didnt know they have been operating via these other sites, more work to do, accc is a good start.

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    1. Hi Jerry, I totally agree. The ACCC is a good starting point in trying to get your money back from these scammers. Unfortunately those at the top of the pyramid (Krider & Oliver) stay away from Australia as much as possible in order to minimise their chance of being brought to justice. For the so called "leaders" in Oz I can guarantee that they have very few assets from which to repay the people they have conned. Nonetheless it is still worth reporting them to the ACCC. It is interesting that the Feds in the USA have recently shut down the MOBE scam which was ironically run by an Aussie called Matt Lloyd McPhee, but which targeted mostly Americans. MOBE essentially ran the same type of scam as POL where you paid big money for "education" which taught you how to sell the same education to others who want to sell it to others etc. etc. Lloyd McPhee is currently crapping himself at the thought of an American jail cell and some very unattractive cell mates, but I suppose in the end you reap what you sow.

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  12. i have a second interview scheduled tomorrow with Ursula Linhoff....is she new to the business or an old hand?

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  13. Ursula's name is new to me but I just did a quick Google search and she fits the profile of those being targeted by POL at the moment. Hopefully she herself hasn't given the scammers too much of her hard earned money.
    If she has, then the only way she can recover some of it is to convince someone such as yourself that you too can make a "six figure income" by giving her the money so you can try to convince somebody else that they can make heaps of money by selling them same stuff to somebody who wants to make another "six figure income" and so on. Retailing of the so called products is impossible without the income opportunity so that makes it a pyramid scam.
    Ask Ursula to show proof of her big income from POL. And be very dubious about claims of executive income from the scam.

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    1. I'm very curious as to 1) how you know so much about this company but are not involved in it 2) how you have the time to continually post here lengthy answers to everyone's questions 3) what you actually do for a living?
      Fact: For all of the negatives one cannot accurately call this a pyramid scheme
      Fact: There are very honorable people in this company doing good for others and helping to teach others to do well for themselves
      Fact: The Kriders have a vested interest in the success of others
      One can make all of the negative claims in the world, but when ones uses hyperbole to constantly make their point, how is it any different than the people and company one is condemning?

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    2. Hi DrCacao. Great to have your input.
      1. It's easy to find out about the company because they themselves are very active on the net. They have a Facebook account and their associates constantly push the "business" on social media platforms. There are also several review sites operated by former associates. These too are easily accessible and provide an excellent insight into the inner workings of the scam.
      2. I spend about 15 minutes a week responding to comments. It's not that hard.
      3. I am an investor, with a property and share portfolio and am also the owner of a successful wide ranging business group.
      Fact. Whatever you call it, and it has had many names. It's a scam
      Fact. There is no honour in scamming.
      Fact. The Kriders have a vested interest in taking as much money from you for as long as possible.
      Hyperbole is in the eye of the beholder. I don't take money and give crap in return.

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  14. Hello guys! I had an interview call last week and I've watched the videos too. What i kept thinking of was: wow these presentations are coming across as Scientology spin off videos. The concept is simple, to put it simply they are screwing you and you have no chance of ever recovering from such a horror financially or with your reputation intact.
    To all the yay sayers: shame on you! How would you like it if someone scammed your family for the fun of making some money?

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    1. Hi Shirmone. $cientology promises that in return for your payment of many thousands of dollars, pounds, rand, Bitcoin or whatever currency you like, you will be boosted to infinite levels of emotional and financial prosperity.
      POL, LL, Polaris or whatever it's called promises that in return for your payment of many thousands of dollars, pounds, rand, Bitcoin or whatever currency you like, you will be boosted to infinite levels of emotional and financial prosperity.
      Believe it at your peril.
      The Krider's have previously acknowledged that they are members of the church of $cientology.

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    2. Seems Shirmone also nearly got caught on an Expats in the UK site? Hmmm quite a few of these ads out there ate the moment that I've been seeing :(

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    3. POL seems to be focusing their efforts on Facebook expat sites at the moment. In Australia they have a few Kiwi scammers such as Simon Haggard and Alison Wheeler pushing the scam in Queensland. They also target UK and Irish people living in Oz, especially women returning to the workforce.

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  15. The adverts continue for this scheme across Facebook - I think the name Peter Rosenfeldt is one to look out for too.

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    1. They have a few people advertising on Facebook at the moment. Of course there is no mention of the company name or what exactly they do, only that you can make an easy "executive" income if you follow the system, that is give them your money.

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  16. Thanks for all the comments, I was very close to joining.
    Close call.

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    1. You just saved yourself thousands of dollars and a lot of heartache.

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  17. Hey everyone, I just had my first interview yesterday and spent all evening watching the videos. I don't know why but I got seriously hooked and a part of me really wants to give this a go. I guess thinking about what I could do if I had all this money made me dream... That's probably why they show off their lifestyle first before telling you what you need to do to get it. Kinda clever, actually.
    But reading all your comments above makes me very nervous and thinking I might be off into a deep end here. I mean, I'd be willing to pay 2500.- to get started if this thing really keeps what it promises. But some of you mentioned that you had to forge out 30K later on? Honestly? That's a ridiculous amount of money. They don't mention this anywhere in their videos.
    It seems to me like they don't care much about the product itself but more about pushing it onto people. I first thought it's about finding people who are interested in personal development but I guess it's more about finding people who want to sell a product they're not really into, either. And the Scientology aspect is creepy, too. Can anybody point me to the video, post, article or whatever it is where they say they're part of this "church"?
    Thanks for all your help. I mean, financial freedom sounds awesome but if I'm going to leave my job for something, I have to be sure I'm not ripping off people and making money off their back.

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  18. Hi Seraina. Let's start with the lifestyle displayed in the videos. It is completely unrepresentative of the lifestyles of anyone involved with POL. The boat shots for example were filmed over a day on a leased boat in Thailand. Sure those on board enjoyed themselves but it was over in a day and then they went back to their normal lives. The foreign travel boasted about by the POL associates is really paid for from their own pockets while attending CONferences. It is an extremely expensive way to have an overseas holiday. You are absolutely correct in realising that they cleverly show of the lifestyle before telling you about the so called business.
    If you are willing to part with $2,500 you will be given their "Beyond Freedom" course. This will allow you to then sell the same course to someone else. Beyond Freedom was developed many years ago by Liberty League in the USA. It's really showing it's age and is impossible to sell to anyone on a retail basis. Shane Krider was one of the founders of Liberty League and his current wife was the top distributor in Australia. Once you have paid your $2,500 you will be told you need a clone website and other resources which will cost a couple of hundred dollars per month so that you can develop your "business". Next comes the hard sell where you will be pressed to buy one of the high end items costing ridiculous amounts of money. When you cannot make any money, you will be told that you are not "following the system". You are not working hard enough. You are not really a good match for the "business". The blame will all be yours and they have no responsibility.
    You are spot on. They couldn't care less about the product from a retail standpoint. It's all about you persuading other people to buy into the "business opportunity" and thereby making yourself a multi millionaire. HaHa
    Shane Krider publicly admitted to being a follower of the $cientology cult almost 10 years ago. Various links on Google can confirm this. Around the same time Krider and his partner were fined hundreds of thousands of dollars in Arizona for ripping off clients. Again this is easily found by Googling "Liberty league Arizona".
    Last but not least don't leave your job on their empty promises. Ask plenty of questions of your recruiter. Look for accounts for last year. If the business is so successful then surely their tax returns will reflect this. Don't fall for the hard sell and be sceptical of all the big claims. All the best to you.

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  19. Hi Sillery,

    I've found your page searching Google for Scam warnings...
    Good of you to warn people.

    I've been contacted by an Angela Dickson here in the UK, advertising on one of the 'SA Expats in the UK' Facebook page. Something during watching the videos raised alarm bells, & I also realised that these videos are from 2017. Why wouldn't they be current if they're constantly on it? Just saying... :)
    Certain little glitches made me think & there's no way I'm going to part with those amounts of money in a rush!
    You can definitely find self help info all over the place for nothing, or almost nothing if you really want to & this is about 'selling' self help programmes...?
    There are loads of these programs all over the place that one gets bombarded with, these guys are just a bit more clever with dangling the carrot with their videos.

    Ouch for people that buy into this... :/
    Thanks again! I've emailed to say I'm not interested.

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    1. Hi Claudia. Thanks for the comment. You are absolutely correct that the videos promoting Prosperity of Life are extremely weak in the context of what is available on the Internet for free.
      You only have to watch Shane Krider's performance on some of their stuff for a few minutes to realise that he is extremely poor at getting his message across. He really does sound like the stuttering high school dropout which he claims to be.
      The carrot is certainly dangled in the form of relatively low entry price to join the so called "business ". All the best.

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    2. Sillery McGreery You might be interested to know that Shane Krider, was one of the founders of a known pyramid scheme called Liberty League back in 2009 that scammed $5 Million of people’s hard earned money.

      And now, he is back. If you want some details let me know you might be shocked!

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  20. Hi, I live now in Chile, emigrated from the UK and on my facebook I got add from Claudia Salazar who add this business and require Spanish speaking people. I knew this is a scam but I wanted to check it, so I applied. She told me that they are opening this business in new countries and one of them in Chile. I am so so worried about all those people here. They are so new to all those scammers; they will fall for it to make a better life and many families’ lives will be destroyed. When I had an interview with Claudia, she was very convincing. She asked me if my goal is 6number figure I said to her that to have hopes with realistic goals and know the way how to achieve those goals takes everybody to the prosperous future but 6numbers in short period without knowing what " the company is about " is just a wish - many of our wishes are unrealistic. So after that, she told me that I did not pass the interview. ( i believe I did not sound desperate to her and I would not be an easy target) . But I still wanted to know this product they are selling so I called her back- she answered, and I played the game how I am motivated etc. etc. to give me a chance. So I got all those videos information etc etc. all this bullshit) They " coach" run conferences without having an academic degree, not having any accreditation from professional institutions and charge a ridiculous amount of money. How to stop it, how to make people here aware of the danger coming from them?

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    1. I can greatly understand your concern... And with so many desperate people out their looking for ways to try & improve their lives this scheme makes me feel a bit angry... I'm sure they've ruined a serious number of people lives!!

      Maybe consider creating a shareable post via FaceBook & Social Media.
      Head it to make it look scary like WARNING!! SCAM ALERT or something.
      People love sharing things that make them feel a bit nervous, like that recent FB spam message regarding duplicate accounts again...

      Whenever I see these ads for Prosperity Life I report them to FB as a scam.
      Not sure if they take any notice though.
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  21. Thanks for the warning regarding the attempt to bring the scam to Chile. Maybe you could post something here in Spanish to alert others in South America to the dangers they face by getting involved with these people.
    They are certainly not accredited by any academic or professional body to provide any educational services or material so you are dead right about how ridiculous the prices they charge are.
    How to stop it? The best way would seem to be by exposing them on the Internet so that potential victims can be warned before they part with large sums of money.

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  22. Hi, I thought I might be interested, then watched the videos and wondered when I would get to see anything of the product to entice my interest, for me a big gap in terms of investing in a product I know nothing about other than someone talking it up. I also saw it as pyramid marketing from what I know of it and even if it isn't it's still the same kind of thing. Selling the product on for a huge profit to yourself seemed a bit dodgy, as someone that's always looking for a bargain, I couldn't think why you would buy something for $1,800 more or $5000 more than its worth, it's kind of like gifting your money to a complete stranger and hoping that someone will do the same for you. Yep, when in doubt do the due diligence. I'm glad I did.

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    1. Why would anybody in their right mind buy a product for $5,000 when the seller is getting $4,000 in commission. It just doesn't make sense.

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    2. true!!! Once you are a member, they’ll use pressured sales tactics to get you to spend tens of thousands of dollars for “personal development courses” and “conferences”.

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  23. Yesterday afternoon I was contacted by a lady after I had replied to an ad on an Australian job search site (work from home employment opportunity). I spent two hours watching the 6-part video presentation. The guy (Shane Krider) and his wife (Oliver) failed to provide any clear substance to what the actual 'products' were other than vague references to self development materials. Other than that there was the spiel of how to on-sell the material and so forth. You are expected to buy and sell a product to which in reality I have no clue contains, unless I buy one for myself. There is no 'sample' product.

    I have yet to read from someone who can accurately describe at length what the material contains. Shane by his own admission claims to be the high school drop-out yet from what I can gather, the self development material being promoted is claiming to develop people psychologically. I assume that the creator of the material would at least need to be legitimately qualified in a business psychology major.

    Watching the conference video highlight of Shane and Oliver hosting guests in Thailand made me think, "Why are these guys hosting the conference and who else is talking?" I at least want accredited professionals in business and psychology to be giving talks. The vagueness and comments by attending guests made me feel like this was more of a cult style gathering of hoodwinked members desperate for something great to appear before them. Lots of positive talk about how the conference had somehow changed their outlook on life - I actually felt sorry for some of those interviewed who seemed to have various forms of emotional baggage and were seeking answers. I fear many vulnerable people are sucked in at great costs. If that is the case, then this is truly a new level of evil going on. The 'system' in which you are meant to advertise mainly on platforms like Facebook means that you will need to fork out heavily in online advertising. You are supposed to be able to identify and target niche audiences within the Social media platforms as well. Add website costs and search engine optimisation. This all racks up to many $$$$$ eventually.

    Reviews indicate that the marketers who called will try to pressure you into buying the product anyway. This would amount to a few thousand dollars there when at this initial stage you haven't even seen the product! Of course it would be foolhardy to buy something you have no idea what it really contains. The promoters are the ones who make all the money selling these programs; the buyers are blamed for not succeeding because they were not falling the steps correctly, not trying hard enough, not studying the training material, need to attend more seminars, conferences, buy more education material, listen to webcasts, etc etc. In the end it all becomes too overwhelming and futile. Most will give up minus a large chunk of their money.

    The posters here and on other sites reviewing POL who claim Shane and Oliver are nice people etc, I would like to know how much they actually do know about these people? Are they friends? What is their association with them? And if so then please elaborate to all in details more about the products, conferences/seminars and everything else that makes these people so fantastic!

    The 'spirituality' type replies make me suspect that those who claim they are so nice have succumbed to something similar to Scientology. In fact the best con people do appear 'nice'. That' what makes them so good! Having a criminal record for fraud in the US already over previous scams (as posted several times), I would caution anyone dealing with Shane at all. Why would you give him a second chance and part money into a company run by him that already seems to have accumulated several negative reviews of being yet another scam? And the fact POL has just been re-branded several times before is another warning bell. For me I think I will pass on this 'to good to be true' offer.

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  24. Crickey. Surely nobody will fall for this 5 minute profit scam.

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  25. ou see, why would any entrepreneur need a mindset training from people whom we don’t know?

    As an entrepreneur, we would follow people like Tony Robbins, Gary Vaynerchuk, Jay Shetty or John C Maxwell, because we know they are the real deal.

    Why would we spend thousands of dollars following someone we don’t know, we would rather spend that money on a seminar conducted by Tony Robbins or Gary Vanerchaek.

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    1. Bob Proctor was instrumental in our PD products. Shane Krider is right up there with the best without all the yelling and hoo haa.

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    2. :) seriously?? HA HA !! Mnay PONZI companies used motivational speakers to speak at their events you know , i will ask my friend who is in touch with Bob Proctor and let see what he says ! We will make sure people know HOW Chrissy and COL GREIG SCAM PEOPLE ! Dont worry ...KARMA ITS A BITCH!

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    3. "Shane Krider is right up there" says Chrissy Greig. He sure is. Right at the top of the scammers pyramid. He was forced to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars after scamming lots of people in the USA. Now - like Lazarus he is scamming lots of new people. WATCH OUT!!
      By the way, he is the most pathetic speaker I have ever heard. Just listen to any of his podcasts. Totally cringeworthy.

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  26. I am making full time income with online marketing $10K per month and never spend more than a $1000 for that. You can see how screwed they are! it doesn’t cost thousands to gain that knowledge.

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  27. 10 years ago I looked at this business and thought it's too good to be missed. Others say it's too good to be true. Others use google gossip and uneducated opinions from people they don know to make their decisions for them.
    I am so glad I joined back then and have lived the lifestyle I have chosen.
    A Great business decision.

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    1. Hi Chrissy. On your blog you claim that the POL products are "university accredited ". This is an outright lie. If you have "lived the lifestyle" then surely you are able to prove it by uploading you financials for the last few years. Big claims require rigorous examination. Why are your co scammers living a hand to mouth existence if they are making so much money? Please tell.

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    2. Sadly Chrissy and Col... I’ve been there done that (with another scamming scheme...
      Sadly I don’t believe your site... ‘oh the fun we are having’ seriously!! Cmon wake up.. get out.. take these guys along with all the others to a class action out in these guys!!!!
      You’ll be safe.. you got sucked in ... that is all

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    3. Hi Bellescript22. I've just been conned by POL too and would love for all former associates to band together for a class action. I foolishly spent US$6250 for M7 fast track cause I got sucked in with the business opportunity but a few weeks in I've discovered it's an ILLEGAL pyramid scheme making those at the top rich while poor vulnerable mothers and retirees scramble to make their money back. The work involved is so degrading because you're essentially deceiving people to join knowing the product is bogus and knowing how hard it is for the business to eve work. I called like 3 ppl and felt dirty. So glad I got out. But gonna fight to get my money back and report these criminals to the authorities. Who's with me?

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    4. Above post was from me, Jane.

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    5. If you live in Australia, where the scam has had it's greatest focus for the past few years, you will need to contact the ACCC. Unfortunately it is a toothless tiger so you need to be persistent

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  28. true those scammers only LIE about this to suck in newbies who have no clue how naive they are

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  29. Tried this business, spent £50,000 on courses, events and advertising, spoke to over 2000 prospects, sold 4 courses. Reasonable content in main on line course but nothing new, live events were very expensive and underwhelming. If products were sold at 25% of existing price, might be an ok opportunity but really overpriced. The training conference calls are quite good though. Learned some good stuff.

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    1. Hi Marc. So you gave $50,000 to the Kriders and learned some "good stuff" in return. Seems like a scam to me.

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  30. Hmmm, just applied for this and was then contacted by Moira McCallum, it was just as i was about to call her that I decided to do my research - so glad I did, what a close call!
    Emailed her back with the links exposing the scam, suspect she won't be contacting me again lol.

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    1. Moira McCallum has only recently been sucked in to the scam. I doubt she will last very long. It is a shame the she has lost her hard earned money though.

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  31. I have been currently looking for work from home and came across POL online. What I have noticed is that their ads are everywhere. There must be a lot of new NZ recruits as POL ads are all over job search sites here and I haven't even seen one on fb yet. Gosh this seems like a worry. I replied the advertisement as it was calling on Mums and Dads looking to make a passive income working from home, I am pregnant and looking for working from home work that is flexible, and who did I get? One of POL's main aussie leaders Alison Wheeler, I have just read the comments about Shane Krider and Rachel Oliver's "leaders" in australia and abroad and Alison is one well advertised "leader" online. She sent me the videos and tried calling me this morning, I missed the call and then she sent an email asking me to give her a call back after I'd had a chance to watch the videos. Once watching them I could totally see how they pull you in and "dangle the carrot" so to speak and convince you by making it sound so easy and in only 3 steps. I was pretty enticed by it at first as the money making prospects were a big temptation and who doesn't want to make a 6 figure income... right? but I was thinking at the same time at the back of my mind that it seemed too good to be true and that it felt like a recruitment process for the Scientology church. Very precise strategies for pulling people in and brainwashing techniques to those that are none the wiser. I can see how the naive, overly trusting and emotionally weak people could be targeted and could be used in this way. I'm soooooo glad I did my homework and research online before I talked to Alison because after I sought out my own information, I was shocked at how much evidence was out there that POL is NOT a legit company with a true philosophy but rather a scamming MLM company that will take you for all you have got and more. I am glad I found this blog. It has definitely helped my decision about NOT believing in this SCAM or POL and glad hat here are other sources out there on the internet to reaffirm this fact as well. WARNING: those who are seriously thinking about joining POL *educate yourself thoroughly before you make one of the biggest mistakes of your life!!!!

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    1. There are 2 Kiwis living in Queensland who have been involved in the scam for a number of years, Simon Haggard and Alison Wheeler. Both of them have unfortunately targeted their fellow Kiwis shamelessly. Preying on gullible and naive people who are trying to do the best for their families is a really low act but Simon and Alison are good at it. By the way, it looks like Pauline O'Halloran in Victoria has quit POL. Despite all her claims of having "retired her husband", she never actually made any real money and only succeeded in providing Krider and Oliver with some pocket money.

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    3. Hi Tessa. I am so sorry to hear that your brother has been caught up in this scam. I did a little research and you are unfortunately correct regarding Pauline O'Halloran. She previously used "living4more" as her brand in the scam but has now changed to "never2old4success". Still the same scam though. If your brother has made any payments on his credit card he may be able to claim back his money because this is definitely fraud. You should report this to the ACCC, www.accc.gov.au. Their website has a warning about job and employment scams which is well worth reading. By the way, I have "not followed the formula", because I was never involved in the scam. My interest comes from the Church of $cientology connection which is obvious when you see and hear the scammers warning their victims "not to tell family and friends what they are up to", typical Scientology action. The founders of the scam, Rachel and Shane Krider are long time $cientologists.


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    6. Hi Tessa. The "products" are first of all a self development course which is really a load of very outdated pseudo psychology/marketing stuff. It sells for a couple thousand of US dollars but is worth maybe 20 dollars at most. To sell this "product" you need to purchase it yourself, hence the first outlay of money. Once you have bought this course you will be up sold another couple of courses which are absolute rubbish but which cost many thousands of dollars. It's a ridiculous system which unfortunately targets those with limited business skills. Pauline O'Halloran has gotten about a dozen people to hand over relatively large sums of money in the past few years. Not a single one has succeeded in recouping their investment. Most are too embarrassed to admit that they have fallen victim to the scam. I hope your brother gets out before all his money and even his relationships are gone.

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    8. Hi again Tessa. Pauline O'Halloran was indeed in Sydney recently with her "team". She goes to Thailand to visit her great leaders Mr. & Mrs. Krider where they rent a house in the tourist area of Phuket. For someone who has supposedly made over a million dollars in the scam, Pauline seems to have remarkably little to show for it except for quite a few extra pounds around the middle.

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    10. Hi Tessa. If your brother has sold his house this indicates that he may have been convinced to become a "director" in the scam. To reach full "director" status he will need to part with about $35,000. He will get to visit the founders of the scam, Shane & Rachel Krider in Thailand. Air fares at his own cost of course. They will tell him what an amazing, wonderful person he is, boost his ego for a while, make him pay exorbitant monthly fees for a crappy website etc. before setting him adrift and saying that he couldn't follow the system. Unfortunately it's all very predictable and in the end he may lose a considerable amount of money. Pauline O'Halloran can expect to get up to $25,000 of your brother's money so she will be promising him the world. Very sad really!!!

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  32. Recently took a call on this from a very sincere lady in South Australia, but we parted company amicably after I thought it through and it began to sound like another MLM cult. Once you are a 'believer' then appealing to reason is a waste of time. Deep down they know they are promoting false promises, but in order to vindicate their own investment and earn it back, they need to continue to entrap others. It's the age old model - and it works! Any naysayers are branded as not being 'big thinkers'.

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    1. Most recent recruits to POL are indeed decent people who are just trying to get their money back. Unfortunately they have to scam some others to do so.

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  33. Hi Rob. I recently had a on online conversation with a POL distributor called Mike. An exact quote from Mike was "I have spent many thousands of dollars on various other opportunities. The reason these others have failed is because I did not follow the system (my fault)". -----He blames himself for losing the money invested rather than the people running these "opportunities ", who know well in advance that he is wasting his time and money. POL targets people who find themselves in situations where they are slightly desperate but not destitute. POL then proceeds to fleece as much money as possible from them. The Kriders and their cronies are truly despicable individuals who are happy to kick you when you are maybe at a low point in life. The current targets are stay at home mums and ex pats who are struggling in a new country. MOBE in the USA which was recently closed down had the same targets.

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  34. The social media manager has armed up with solicitors due to me mentioning the ACCC and the compliance officer tried to bribe me with offering me the high end products for 900 dollars after I threatened a legal dispute against Leeanne for her trying to push me into buying stuff I don't want. But yeah their Facebook manager is talking of lawyers dealing with me.

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    1. Haha good luck to them with that. They are shitting themselves!

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    2. Wish I would have read all these reviews and done some research before I was silly enough to pay for their Personal Development crap. I will be contacting ACCC to lodge a complaint. Maybe they will take some action if everyone who has been ripped off by the Kriders to get together and lodge a complaint.

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    3. Hi Country Living - did you have any luck with ACCC? I have also been conned to the tune of US$6250 and also want to raise a complaint. It's less about the money and more about not wanting to see others not get hurt by these criminals. I also told their lawyer (who I checked out on LinkedIn btw and she's only ever worked with POL in her career, so even she seems illegitimate) that they are operating illegal pyramid, and she says they are a legal MLM. What she doesn't realise POL actively say in marketing they are not MLM. haha

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  35. They are very good at issuing threats of legal action etc. The reality is however that the threats are just bluff. POL and the Kriders as well as Lee Anne Bartlett should definitely be reported to the ACCC because the more reports the ACCC receives, the more likely they are to act.

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    1. I have written a chunk below but Please let’s all band together to get ACCC involved . They are sponsored spamming my Instagram!!!

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    2. I would love to band together with you to all to get ACCC to investigate. They have been getting away with this for far too long!

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    3. Also, you only need 7 for a class action, very doable guys..!
      I know POL are running mass recruitment on Saturday at the Hilton Sydney - there will be some casualties... sigh

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    4. The Hilton in Sydney on Saturday 14th Dec. 2019 is where there is a recruitment meeting. There will indeed be casualties. It will be terrible to see people sucked in just before Christmas when they may be vulnerable.

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    5. So tempted to stand outside protesting with banners. Lol.
      In all seriousness, what can we do to stop them? Can we report their facebook pages etc, stop them marketing?

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    6. Report, report, report. That's about all you can do. As far as government agencies are concerned, it's every man or woman for themselves. The ACCC needs to get it's act together. It will only act if it receives lots of complaints. It would be fun to see some protests at the Hilton though.

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  36. OMG just spend 3hrs going through these videos. I thought I will check this out on Google before my phone call but after reading this, it's certainly scared me that people are losing $30k and their homes. So basically, it's not the first $2258 you pay first, you have to purchase the rest of the course? Thank you so much for high lighting this company. If I had lost all my savings which isn't much and at 61yrs old, I think I would have committed suicide and the shame of being scammed. How can these people live with themselves stealing money off poor people. I wondered why they all live in Australia and Tailand. They obviously have no one in the UK who we can verify with.

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  37. OMG Thanks Sillery...they nearly caught me on a weak moment. I too thought the course prices where high...AND I wondered who had written them. After all you can do a Robins course for less, and he is fantastic and world renowned. So I thought 'who is this Krider person" I've been around the Self help thing off and on fore a long time and I've never heard of him. So googled and discovered your page. Thanks soooo much I nearly got sucked in by the big commissions. Thanks for people like you keeping an eye on things.

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  38. Hi, Thanks for all the information on here guys. I am an expat Englishman living I Spain, who saw a UK facebook advert from someone called Aaron Battley. After a disjointed, nervous and unconvincing telephone call from Aaron, during which he was obviously reading from a script, he eventually agreed to send the videos for me to watch. I am guessing he is new to the company, probably paid his initial fee and is now panicking about how he will recoup his investment, let alone make any money.
    I am a veteran of network marketing ventures, going back as far as Shacklee in the 80's to Forever Living and Herbalife, which at least have decent, tangible products to sell, even though you are expected to hound your friends and family to buy them and become distributors.
    I also work as a reporter, so am intrigued and appalled as to how vulnerable people with young families are drawn into this obvious scam.
    Watching the videos, which are old and poorly made amateur crap, I was immediately bored with Kinder's delivery, and the content of his presentation, which seemed like a rambling monologue from an eighteen year old sociology student and made me fast forward before I fell asleep. I'd give him one out of ten on the inspirational speaker charts.
    However, Rachel, or Rach as she likes to be called, is the dangerous one, as she drew me in from the start, with her sharp patter and plausible soundbites. I even found myself trying to work out how i could finance the initial purchase.
    But them, Mr Boring started speaking again, and one of the few pieces of undiluted bullshit that struck a chord with me, was when he suggested potential business people, should miss a few mortgage or loan payments to fund the costs of buying the over inflated products that they can' even be bothered to describe in detail.
    The alarm bells were raised and my reporters curiosity took hold and that, luckily I might add, brought me here.
    You won't be surprised to learn that I have decided against POL and will be asking a few searching questions of Aaron, when he calls me back tomorrow.
    So, UK and European residents need to be warned that the scammers have moved from the antipodes and are now targetting the UK ..... poor Aaron Battley might just be the first of their unfortunate victims, but I won't be joining him

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    1. Interesting that you refer to Shane Krider as "Mr Boring", because that is exactly how I see him. His screen presence and presentation are extremely poor. Despite this he is the main speaker at their CONferences. It is very difficult to watch Krider stutter his way through the videos at www.makeyourfirst100konline.com and then believe that this same guy can inspire you to make youself a millionaire by selling his crap. Rachel is exactly how you described her. Devious and sly to the point of being extremely nasty, she can baffle the gullible with bullshit and extract your life savings without a sliver of compassion. Trust either of these scammers at your peril.

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  40. Hi all,

    I went through the process of ‘passing’ last year. ‘Fortunately’ I decided to fill out the contact form for the purpose of doing a ’spruiker’ test because I smelt a rat upfront ... ‘unfortunately’ I myself have previously been burnt tens of thousands and a few years wasted plus my husband giving up a professional mining career to support the jet setting ‘lifestyle’ of another spruiker with whom we worked and travelled personally with, paying more $$ to be trained even further by him so we could mentor others ( which makes me feel sick and the reason I Said NO MORE Non Congruency )
    That ‘Share trading education’ also changed trading names a few times ...in between going off the radar for a few years which they all tend to do when the heat is turned on them ..sadly they are like addicts .. they are addicted to to thrill and the $ chase ... the ambivalence is mind blowing. They even believe their own shit doesn’t in the end!!����‍♀️��

    Basically anyone who boasts about their lifestyle and how many countries they have travelled to with pics on social media and their spruiking sites, are nothing that bloody special these days. Think about it...you could travel overseas 25 times a year using ‘I know the pilot’ app prices.. for much much less than the cost of the BS they sell you!!!!

    Sadly of course , they don’t discriminate who they pull into their web... you can be a low income earner with a desperate need to ‘break free’ of your current reality that feels like it’s never going to get better or you could be a high income earner who is ‘stuck’ working the daily 9-5 grind in a ‘concrete jungle’ aka a city grid... (they love using that one)���� ����������

    These guys use NLP neuro-linguistic programming which yet again I paid another sprinkler to get a certification in ) This basically brainwashes you into believeing its sooooo easy “don’t worry about the fact that you are going to hand us your money or money you don’t have.. you can sort that out later when you are so successful that you won’t know yourself ”.

    There is always a total sense of urgency in every word ‘script’ which they pass on down the line. YES It’s urgency alright..so we don’t have enough good sense or enough time to do our own due diligence !! Heaven forbid ��

    Thank you to the author of this blog for alerting all with so much clarity! ����‍♀️

    Please everyone, if you really want to help others in any form of proseperity or personal development.. make it your journey to pop on sites and warn people. If you’ve saved 1 person/family ... you’ve probably saved them a lifetime of savings lost and CC debt!!
    God help the suckerinererssss!

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    I wish to publicly offer my deepest regret to others who got spun in that which we did!!!! Peace ����

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  41. Thanks for the comments Bellescript22. If we can encourage the potential victims of the scam to just ask for proof of income from their uplines, then some of these victims can be saved from losing large sums of money. Simon Haggard, Lee Ann Bartlett, Alison Wheeler, Pauline O'Halloran, Adam Bude, Chrissy Greig or any of the other scammers should be asked to show proof of their fabulous incomes before any other victims are sucked into the scam with empty promises. Surely those at the top of the pyramid have done their company tax returns with profit and loss and balance sheets available for potential investors to examine. If you are not shown the proof - don't fall for the lies.

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  42. Thank you for providing this site within which one can comment. My ex husband signed up with these people last year, and the moment he did so he called child support services declaring zero earnings in order to avoid any further child support payments. So, while he openly flaunts across multiple social media forums that he is living the lifestlyes of the rich and famous (including going on business trips with the aforementioned costing into the tens of thousands) he is sadly defrauding his own child(ren) of the present and future to which they are legally entitled. That is to say that Australian law dictates that every child has the right to be provided for by their parents if they are so able. This is listed in the Family Law Act 1975, and covers quite specifically what this entails, including quality of life and financial support. So, while some might consider these 'people' to be harmless they are actually affecting real people, including children and families. So, which is it? Are they impoverished so much that they financially abuse their children and request centrelink payments (true story - paperwork to prove it), or are they rolling in money and lifestyle from their superb investment, and have found a way to neglect their responsibilities towards others in society by just being so dam brilliant and clever?! Either way I think it is safe to say that it not only stinks to neglect and deprive children, but it is a criminal act. I resent the implication that I have read in many a forum about these people that it's only the investors that lose and have themselves to blame. There are other victims. The cost is real to the Children of those conning and being conned. The system used is not endorsed by any medical, psychological, business management university accoladed professionals in any way so ask yourself. It's a nasty game preying on the disillusioned and the desperate.

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    1. Hi. Thanks for your input. Like all financial scams, Prosperity of Life affects more than just the person who falls for it. Often families are neglected and relationships damaged in the fallout, something of which you are unfortunately fully aware.

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  43. https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_comments/2006/07/522418-11492.pdf

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  45. Hi Homedzine. I suspect your comment was on another site dealing with the Prosperity of Life scam because I never remove or edit any comments. There are several sites run by former associates of Shane and Rachel Krider which try to alert potential victims to the threat posed by these predators and their cronies. As soon as someone comments on this site I get an email notification and I certainly haven't gotten one. Please feel free to post it again.

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  46. Poor sad lonely sillery. Your scare tactics may work with the weak and gullible, but POL's 20 years of business experience and tens of thousands of very happy people have proven once again that good businesses will continue to prosper, and take many wise people with them. You may infect a very small percentage of people but most do see right through your false words, and others like you. (so predictable) Keep up your 'worms' of wisdom. It really is quite amusing. Be careful when you write slander, it may bite you in the bum.

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    1. So how much have you made in the last 12 months?...clear profit.

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    2. One would think such a successful and prosperous company could at least afford produce some professional promotional material! The cheap amatuer videos shot in some cheap Thai resort are an instant give away of a scam.

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  47. So here we have Chrissy and Col Greig once again using the old "attack the messenger " tactic, without providing a shred of evidence as to their claims. They have been involved with the Kriders and others in this scam for a number of years now so you could expect some proof of their fabulous incomes to be readily available. Despite repeated requests they have not shown one iota of evidence for their claims. There is only one conclusion to be drawn and that is that their income claims are nothing but a tissue of lies and therefore that they themselves are nothing but fraudulent scammers. So be warned, if you see the names Chrissy and Col, under no circumstances give them any of your hard earned money.

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  48. This is quite shocking for me..I was excited to earn 6figure income.I saw this pol add bcas m full time mum n is in need of money, i thought i finally got something, i contacted this lady name Ingrid in australia she did my interview, called someone called lian to answer my question and told me to pay 2400$ but i m in new zld so it would come across $3600. i was thinkin how will i get this much money n thought of doin some reserchs frm my side... N i guess that was a good decision.thnkx very much eveyone for sharing there experience n perspective for pol.
    I askd for the products detail but they refused to answer bcas i need to buy one frst. I told them the most fascinating things in the videos were nubers..somebdy is earning 50k a mnth ...100k..40k...wow..thats pretty much everyone is looking for...but y such a huge price for nothing..m glad i came across this page..now need to find some genuine work for my living..

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    1. So many New Zealanders seem to have been sucked into this scam recently. POL expects payment of about $2.5k before you really discover what the "business" is all about. Money which you can never recover, and which many can ill afford. The "lian" you refer to is most likely Lee Anne Bartlett who has ripped off so many people in the past few years. As you correctly say, they spout big numbers without giving any facts and unfortunately some people fall for their lies. Some of these people end up in severe financial crisis as a result of the scam. All the best.

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    2. It's really sad to see decent people who are trying to do their best for themselves and their families cheated out of their savings by these parasites. If you are thinking of getting involved with this group please ask for proof of their "amazing" incomes. Surely last year's tax return will show the truth. And please don't believe the LIES.

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    1. OMG. Another joker trying to make a buck from "The Secret".....CRAP!

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  50. I was contacted by a lady (can't remember her name) and she kept asking me if l was still interested the whole time. I kept saying it depends what this is about. So we went around in circles for about 10 minutes before she said l don't think your attitude is right! I'm a Registered Nurse. I think my attitude is fine thanks. I'm not stupid enough to give my hard earned money to someone that wont give me a solid reason why l should. These people are looking for desperate, soft and easy targets. Have a look at these reviews. The good are outnumbered 100 to 1. Don't be sucked into this rip off please!!!

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    1. You are 100% correct RN. These scammers target desperate, soft and easy targets. By the time the victims realise they have been scammed, the money has been moved to Thailand, from where it won't be coming back.

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    2. Can the ACCC touch them in Thailand?

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    3. ACCC cannot touch the Shane and Rachel Krider as long as they remain in Thailand. ACCC can however go after the local reps such as Haggard, Bartlett, Greig, Mailer and Wheeler. You may be able to recover some lost money from them especially if you have paid them directly rather than sending the money to Thailand.

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  51. I would be more than happy for us all to get together with ACCC and to be able to have all our money's refunded. Not only myself but the thousands of people that have been ripped off by the Kriders. If we all get together and lodged our complaints as a group ACCC might do something about it. We cant do it as an individual. We need everyone that has been involved and ripped off by them. Kriders should be locked up!!! We all need to start this process NOW!!!

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    1. Hi Country Living. Go to the scamwatch.gov.au website and report the scam to the ACCC. You need to report the Australian based "leaders" because the ACCC has no powers overseas. Good luck.

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  52. recently one of my friends in australia joined this and she says she made money within one month by recruiting someone, she says its going to help her reach 1 million dollars and i don't know how to convince her this is a scam when i sent her to this page, she says there are other people who dont know how to promote it and call it a scam, so how am i going to convince her i don't know.

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    1. It is extremely difficult to convince people that they have made a big financial mistake. They can be embarrassed and blame themselves for being fools to give their money away. Victims often withdraw from family and friends because of a feeling of shame. Unfortunately this plays into the hands of scammers like Krider who continue to rob decent hardworking people who are trying to do the best for themselves and their families.

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  53. the thing is she says she has already recovered her investment and according to her the people who are complaining are not following all training properly and that's why they complain. as u can see this site says the same thing and i checked their facebook group and it also shows lot of people made over 50k, so she is continuing with the program. so im not sure, in this blog it says 14 sales this guy made, so after seeing these results i cant stop her. https://alexfordlive.com/prosperity-of-life-review/

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    1. so im hoping that this blog and results are also fake like the thailand testimonials. according to her the creators are living in thailand because usa environment is not that great to live

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    2. Alex Ford is an interesting character. He has been around the MLM industry for quite a few years now but has never made any serious money despite all his hard work and big claims. He left the Krider scam a few years ago without ever getting to the top of the pyramid. His website is all big talk about what you can achieve with no real proof of his success.

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  54. it has strained my own relationship with her as she wanted me to invest 2.5k and i refused. appparently she feels people in australia have money to invest in it and asian countries are poor and have no money, she even said her coach is allowing her not to invest more money in other products by passing the lead to them as a commision and she says she herself wants to leverage her own downline the same way. her coach also gave her 50 leads to follow with and she says nobody does like this anywhere

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    1. I would ask for proof of her claims that she is making money in the scam. The so called "leaders" encourage a "fake it til you make it" mindset. This essentially means that they encourage you to join by lying about their own success. Even those at the top of the pyramid, including Shane Krider himself do this. Krider lives in a rented house in Thailand and all the toys such as boats and cars are also rented.

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    2. a. it's not pyramid. b. people are not encouraged to lie about their success. c. why do you waste time giving out incorrect information and making scathing
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    3. Hi Anonymous. I am more than happy to correct any "incorrect information" or untruths. Please let me know what they are and I will update the article. Regards, and please don't believe the lies.

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  55. I have just been contacted by someone via email after enquiring about an online business who has put me onto this free 17 day prosperity course which I can see was priced at $1455 previously...this is laughable I mean come on while some of the content motivational it is hardly worth that price! I decided to do my own research on this company and I'm glad I found your page. This woman who contacted me and put me onto this course sends automatically generated emails and did providing any pricing or detail just a constant request for a short phone conversation, I'm glad I didn't put in my real number! I thought to myself after watching some of these videos 'If they ask for money this is a pyramid scheme' after having similar experiences in the past. Well after reading some of these comments, they don't just ask for money they ask for a fortune! It is obvious they have brainwashed people, I see the comments on their facebook streams calling them 'awesome' and "I love this!' etc. but I can't see what is so great to be honest. Also pictures of the flash boat and nice house sounded warning bells for me, they are probably rented just to create an image for sure. They are targeting the vulnerable, I've seen some people them talking about the hell they have been through and are genuinely emotional and these Krider people seem indifferent in their reactions, which makes them some of the lowest form of life in my opinion. Thanks again for creating this forum. Cheers

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  56. sorry about the typo "did not provide any pricing or detail"

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  57. So, here I am. September 2020.
    I've been looking for a remote job, for about a year. That's how I came across this "job" opportunity on linked in. I applied for the job and some hours later got an answer on my LinkedIn, the person would like to call me for a quick interview.
    Until then, I hadn't realized what kind of opportunity was this.
    She sent me some videos, and in the middle of the second I started understanding what was going on.
    The whole "sales" thing is very appealing.
    I was quite inclined to accepting it, except that I don't have money to buy everything (Thank God).
    This review was essential to open my eyes and understand that I don't wanna invest money I don't have, because it is a scam.
    Thanks God I did my homework and researched before taking a decision.

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    1. Thanks for the input. The Kriders and their associates have been scamming people for almost twenty years now. They have just departed Thailand with their tails between their legs and are now based in Montenegro (formerly part of Yugoslavia) where they continue their scamming ways. Where they will pop up next is anybody's guess but they always try to keep one step ahead of the law. Maybe a name change is the next move. All the best

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  58. I have been hypnotised by this organisation for a few months. I'm now waking up and hurting at how naive I was. I lost $30K, and precious time and energy.
    I am looking into taking legal action. I'm in the UK. If anyone wants to join me please let me know. The Directors don't let us talk to each other or share our frustrating situations. The hard selling to newbies is disgusting. There is 0 activity to retail the "product". I am so sorry my name has been part of this. Please get in touch if you are on the same boat as me.

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    1. So sorry that you had to lose so much money before discovering that Prosperity of Life is a total scam. $30,000 is a figure commonly quoted as being lost by victims. The best course of action is to go after the person who enrolled you in the scam because the Kriders keep one step ahead of the law with their constant moves. All the best.

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  59. MY friend n austrlia is still pursuing this, i dont know if she lies or not but she has made 4 sales in total in one year, she says she earned over 15k. I dont know how much she spent on advertising, now we have lost touch because i kept advising her not to do this business, but she says that people who complain are the people not doing the work or running ADS. She is also fascinated how the owners go to bali for vacations. She hopes she can make 500k easily but i hope she doesnt end up on the loosing side

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    1. Unfortunately your friend has had to scam other poor victims with the promise of making easy money so that she can try to get back her investment. If she earned $15k then she probably spent at least $10k on Google or other advertising. The person above has lost $30k, which seems to be the standard amount of losses accrued until the victims realise that they have been scammed. Please name and shame those like Haggard, Wheeler, Greig and of course the Kriders who prey on those who often cannot afford these big losses.

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    2. I cannot believe how untrue this information is. I've had multiple 50K profit months with POL and my Ad spend was less than $1500. It sounds like you don't know how it works, and you are determined to destroy the opportunity for others.

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    3. Hi Anonymous. Can you please provide proof of your multiple 50K profits. I will happily acknowledge and publish your proofs - but I won't be holding my breath for your reply. Also can you please let me know what information is untrue and I will update.

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  60. I am wondering if you have had any involvement with this company? You seem to spend a lot of time and energy on it and it seems you have a vendetta? I'm purely just interested.

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    1. Hi Unknown. My interest in the scam began after I noticed how similar it is to the Scientology cult. It was only later that I discovered that the founders of the scam are actually members of the cult. Scientology claims that it can reveal the secrets to saving the universe if you give them lots of money. POL claims that you can make a fortune and turn around your life if you give them lots of money. Not much difference really. All the best, and please don't believe the lies.

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    2. I agree, it sounds like a vendetta and it is untrue information. It's obvious they DO NOT know the people or the company or how the business model works, so why influence others with their opinions and incorrect information?

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    3. Hi Anonymous. Could you please point out any errors or "untrue information" in the article. I will be happy to acknowledge and update them.

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  61. I guess you will delete my comment. What you have written is your opinion and is untrue. It's obvious you DO NOT know the people or the company or how the business model works. Why influence others with your opinions and incorrect information?

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    1. I never delete a comment no matter who it is from. All I ask for is proof that the claims of being able to make "executive" or "multiple six figure" income promoting POL are true. I encourage all potential recruits to the "business" to ask for that proof and if it is not forthcoming they must assume that the income claims are false. This is basic due diligence. Unfortunately most people sucked into the scam have very limited business experience and fail to do the most essential DD.

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  62. yes please, please post real net income screenshots and not gross income. My friend in aus used to say same thing she is going to make 50k in few months and she had started last year at march before covid but till august she claimed she made close to 15k but didnt say the AD expenses and in between she had slowed down saying because of covid she is not into rushig into it and people don't have jobs to make heavy investment but she will still continuig to suppot the company. She said clients will pay her directly instead of paying to the company which i told i found it fishy but she kept blaming me im jealous. I don't think any company in the world will ask another person to accept payment on behalf o f their company unless its a franchise. What if they go bust tomorrow then will a affiliate take the blame? People will vent frustration on one who referred and not the company. That being said she still continued to support life prosperity saying they are helping us by saving taxes, after that i decided not to advise or talk to my friend anymore

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    1. The 50K per month fantasy is peddled by POL regularly. I have been asking for proof of business profit for years but without success. The lifestyles of the participants such as Haggard, Wheeler, Mailer and Chrissy and Col Greig certainly does not reflect any great level of prosperity. Pauline O'Halloran is broke and even the Kriders move from one rented house to another. The whole thing is a tissue of lies. Believe them at your peril.

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  63. innocentBystander29 April 2021 at 01:09

    Thought I'd investigate this POL work from home business. Straight up I felt something was fishy, when I had the initial phone "interview" which I passed .. (I think everyone does). I asked her how much money does it cost to start up? but she wouldn't answer this critical question.. 1st red flag. It's as if she was reading a script.. maybe she was. She said I first had to watch some videos which were hours long. I went along with this and got the email with the link and password. So I start to watch this presentation and I was really shocked to see a lady with long blond hair, looking like she had just got out of the shower in some kind of robe, presenting this business model. (hmm, so this is a legit opportunity?) .. 2nd red flag. I stopped the video after hearing that you sell the product for $2600 or so and you get around $1800 in clear profits.. wow I just couldn't do that to anyone and that was the 3rd red flag. Then I stumbled onto this site. Thank you for your work in warning people about this company. I rang the ACCC but sadly it's pretty much a white elephant in that they don't chase down any bad guys, but they just give out warnings like a parent to a child. They said that what this company is doing is legal and they can charge any amount for their products, so it's up to the customer to do their homework.

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    1. Sadly you are correct. The ACCC is a white elephant of enormous proportions. It is very much a "buyer beware " situation for anyone dealing with these scammers. When a product sold for $2,600 has a profit margin of $1,800 for the distributor it means that the true value of the product is tiny. Nobody buys the "product" unless they themselves hope to sell it to somebody else. There is no real customer - just some other poor sucker trying to recover their investment. The Kriders have been at this under a variety of names for almost 15 years now. Believe their lies at your peril.

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  64. Poor old silley... still flogging that dead horse...

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    1. Poor old Chrissy... still flogging that SCAM. I remember a few years ago when Col Greig was claiming that he was driving his "Lambo" around his "mansion". He was clearly delusional then and still is. Chrissy and Col claim that their course - Beyond Freedom is "university accredited". When asked which university would endorse such crap, there was no reply. These con artists have taken money under false pretenses for a number of years now. Approach with extreme caution.

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  65. Thank you for this awesome article - it's great that this scam has been called out. It is amazing how gullible people are. It's also just plain sad. I know 2 people in NZ that have bough into this crap. One in particular is completely delusional re what they believe is achievable and the "business" model. This scares the crap out of me and is so sad that they can dress up a pyramid scheme as "helping" people. I'm pretty sure that the courses are "good" but the business model is obviously built around taking advantage of people, over charging, and manipulating people. I'm surprised that if the main drivers of becoming a "partner" is wanting to "help" people that it is also okay to rip people off...? To help them out? It's funny reading through the comments as there is a lot of "this is not true" both ways... but from what I know (from my 2 contacts in it) is that I can definitely say that you can make it work (as one of them has made a bit of money from it - I can verify exactly how much) but... you have to be prepared to scam people... and if you are okay with that and hiding behind the fact that you are "helping" people while helping yourself to their money then that's all good for you and I suppose that works... it's just that it's in my opinion a morally corrupt business model. I would say if you are keen you could make it work... but if you have your head screwed on properly (at least an average IQ and EQ) then you would probably realise that you are ripping people off and maybe feel bad about this but then again maybe not as if you make it work then you might be making enough money to justify your awesome "help". Anyway, I find it amazing that businesses like this exist! Again thank you for publishing this info - it all checks out with my own research and the facts that I have been able to verify. On balance, I believe that it is a load of BS. Cheers

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    1. Hi, Thanks for your insightful comment. The business model is pure $cientology. Charge enormous amounts of money for stuff which is of dubious value and promise that your life will be transformed if you follow the rules. The founders of the scam are self acknowledged members of the "church" of scientology so it can be no surprise that they use the same methods fleece the gullible.

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    2. while you guys are saying all this, my friends profile now says welcome to the 50k club within a year of starting..so indeed she managed to make the 50k..so im not sure..and i cant ask her all details if she got the money or not but looks like she hit the jackpot, what does 50k club mean, is that these guys give the full 50k to the sponsor in hand or is it gross profit or is there a catch?

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    3. It's impossible to know what the "50K club" really means without seeing real audited accounts for the businesses making the claim. Members of POL have long been encouraged to "fake it til you make it" which essentially means that you lie about how much you are really making in order to impress potential recruits. Lots of ex members of POL such as Alex Ford, Adam Bude, Lynn McFarlane Smith and Belinda Evert claimed to be making executive level incomes but have now departed. WHY?? If the money is so good then why do so many people leave so quickly? Col Greig claimed to be driving a Lamborghini (in his dreams). Even the founders of the scam Shane Krider and Rachel Oliver live in rented properties and drive rented cars and have left a trail of debts whenever they move. If people are making so much money then surely they are lodging tax returns and audited accounts. Ask to see the proof before you believe anything you are told.

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    4. All the $50k club means is in a consecutive 30day period they have made $50,000 in sales across that time. They then "join" the 50k club. They may or may mot make money again or enough to work the business full time though they can plug they are members of the $50k club over and over. It's an inflated achievement.

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    5. Those who join the $50,000 club include their own purchases and their pass up sales so despite managing to "join the club", they actually don't have any profit for themselves. This is why potential recruits should take all the hype with a very large grain of salt. If a recruit doesn't actually see an audited Profit and Loss statement for the "business" they are joining then all they should run several miles. The cash actually goes to the chief scammers such as Simon and Lee Anne Haggard (Bartlett) or Chrissy and Col Greig.

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    6. There is an interesting video on YouTube of Rachel when she was scamming people via liberty league several years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9o-CLVRq_o Have a look at what she was like before Botox and cigarettes took their toll.

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  66. wow good one, what scammers. and how they entice people, all fake people with insecurities and high lofty ambitions to prove their net worth to society.Surely they must not be happy or peaceful within inside by scamming everyone. But the thing is they need to be behind bars and not going to gyms and buying more houses and moving to thailand and what not.

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  67. They almost tricked me. I escaped. Thank God.

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  68. I was driving in Sydney's inner west when I saw a beaten up old Ford with a sign in the window for an online business. www.nomore9to5.com.au I had a look at the website because I was intrigued that somebody driving an old wreck would be promoting an online business. Apparently its a couple from Israel who say "we are passionate about assisting men and women create better results....utilising our business model" . Sounds dodgy -- but a little internet searching reveals they are promoting a business run by a conman named Shane Krider --- dodgy confirmed.

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  69. I joined this company as a distributor in the end of 2020 after 5 months of hard core calling people everyday, even when originally talking to the lady I signed up with I said I'm a stay home Mum who can only work the business 3 days a week so that was good until after I paid and was then told to make the Business work I would have to put 3 people through the system everyday...so I did what they said did the boring training calls everyday and called over 500 people and only received one sale. I ended up getting abusive emails and phone calls from people accusing me of being a scammer which was really awful. I love Personal Development but I discovered soon this is not a personal development company like they claim just a Network Marketing Business selling an opportunity with introductory Personal Development Products. There seem to be a handful of people making money in this company but that's about it. When I would express my feelings to my M8 director she would say it's not a quick rich program, I did not want to get rich I just wanted to get paid. Glad we only invested the M1. Did learn a lot about social media aswell which was a bonus but found this experience very dissappointing and did start to feel fake and just gross when making the calls. Some people seem to like being in this Community I didnt mind listenning to Shane and Rachel but it was definitely not in alignment with my values and I see alot of people being taken advantage of. The training calls did not reflect great Personal Development Leadership. That is my opinion if you feel this opportunity could be for you there is only one way to find out and that's give it a go based on your gut feeling.

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    1. Hi and thanks for being so honest about your experience. Unfortunately 95% of those who join POL will fail to cover their costs. When they complain they are told it's their own fault because they did not follow the "system". This is something which all MLMs do.

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  70. Here's a little gossip about the "amazing" lives of the scammers. Shane Krider was a founder of Liberty League. He had a wife and kids in the USA. Rachel Oliver was Liberty League's top earner in Australia. She lived with "the love of her life" Tony in Queensland. One thing leads to another and suddenly the two happy couples become one "happy" couple. Simon Haggard (married to Nyssa with kids) becomes a Liberty League Distributor as does Lee Anne Bartlett (also married- to Andrew with kids) Guess what??? Now it's the Simon and Lee Anne show. Spouses and kids ditched.
    Kirsty Mailer --married to "Big Kev" with kids is known again as Kirsty Goldsworthy. Kev and kids are dumped for the scientology scam. Kirsty is a little hotty so the other older women such as Alison Wheeler are watching over their shoulders for the next move and everybody is watching Col (the perv) whose beady eyes send shivers down the women's spines. The rumor is that Rachel has been having a little fling with a swarthy eastern European and that all is not smelling like roses in the Krider household so maybe more turmoil is imminent ..................????????

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    1. Does anyone know if Mary Scott has quit POL? She took heaps of money from several ppl who are very upset.

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    2. It looks like the principal UK scammers namely Tanya Stapp and Howard Hughes have also quit the scam.

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    3. Mary Scott has indeed left the scam. She is however trying to lure in new suckers with her “wisdom”. Be careful if you cross paths.

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  71. I think Howard Hughes is still scamming people from Dublin but it does appear that Tania Stapp has quit,

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    1. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/J7zR7TDpwXTxurbYpL8BE7itPFQ/appointments

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  73. OMG I just had a look at the Vimeo video above. What a slimy bunch they are. How can anyone fall for their sh1t???

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  74. That guy Simon Haggard is such a slimebag. Do people still fall for his nonsense??? He ran off with the local chiropractor's wife a couple of years ago so he is not Mr. Popularity around the Gold Coast region.

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  75. https://vimeo.com/760382726 Watch Haggard and cringe.

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